Sudan Teak for Door Frames

[Aarush84]

Hi,

Im in the middle of finalization of wood for door frames.

Not going with;

Red sal bcoz it will crack & thr will be bend in long run.

Honne wood if not properly painted & if it comes in contact with water it will strains the flooring with red colour.

Burma Teak- Investemt is too high-4500 per CFT

Oil Sal--- Hearing it for the first time no idea reliability.

Im planning to use Sudan teak for all the Vascals(door frames) instead of Burma Teak due to cost factor. Sudan teak will cost us around 2500 per CFT, which is bit more than honne but we can polish this wood & one can have a premium look.

Since for the first time im going to use this wood & moreover Sudan started Exporting this in the year2013, Just need to know feed back/advice on going with Sudan teak.


Thanks & regrads,
Anil

[vijaykumarthapa]

Hi Anil,
Sudan Teak is something new that i am hearing, please provide me details of timber yard that you are picking up from.

Thanks
Vijay Thapa

[Aarush84]

Hi Vijay,

Im buying the Sudan teak from Sharada Wood's which is located in Bannerghatta Main rd.
You can contact Mr.Praveen Patel @ 9886512124.

Regards,
Anil

[naveenkr]

is this same as Ghana teak.. out of 4 side.. oneside you will have white...not golden wood...pl ck. it should not cost you 2200...try ashok timber in mysore road.. where I picked up.

[vijaykumarthapa]

Thanks Naveen for the info.

[Maniram Singh]

Ghana teak is soft wood and there is no strength for screws to hold the wood. It is cost effective and not reliable.

Assam Teak is very good wood and strong for all type of frames and doors.

We can supply assam team frames and doors in huge quantity (minimum 50 doors) against orders for builders at competitive rate.

Any one interested may contact us.

Maniram
9844515878

[Saud]

@aarush: Sudan teak is again African teak. They are chances of bend in the long run. I would suggest go for any jungle wood.
As the properties of indian jungle wood are far better than african teak. Its just you gotta season the wood atleast for 20-25 days. And later you will find no bend.
regards,
Saud

[Nivas]

Its a myth that some woods does not take polish, spread largely by uneducated experienced carpenter and painter community. Painters and Carpenters save a lot of labour and polish if you go for teak, that's why they don't even mention\Suggest other woods other than relatively softer hardwood like teak.
Polishing wood is a art and one needs to be aware of the new age materials on market, it can be done to any wood ,but with different effort ,cost and different materials. with teak the scraping is easy and you can do it with just sealer and top coat and be done in just 2 or 3 coats. For other woods it requires different treatment . For example Sal and Honne, the fiber structure is different you need to use different materials and different technique. I have some polished Honne(PU) and some local woods in my building,

Teak is imported from Sudan,Benin, Ivory Coast, Tanzania, Ghana(main African countries) etc , Nicaragua , Equador, Brazil ,Myanmar outside africa majorly etc. African ones are mostly plantation types b/n 10 to 30 yrs with unmatured heartwood and lot of sap wood (white) and is imported and sold Green. 80 to100% moisture. Teak with so much sap wood and moisture will crack and warp like any other green wood. Just because its teak why ignore white wood aka sap. Technically , the sap dries fast than heart wood and fractures and develops strains and cracks on the boundary and warps.
any wood if Kiln Dried or seasoned properly will not warp or crack (sal,honne,Acacia,Matti etc).

teak quality depends on the lot and girth imported . Vendors simply play with misinformation that Sudan is better than Ghana and v.v etc. However Myanmar is a different species Tectona Hamiltoniana endemic to that region only and best in characteristics. whereas rest is Tectona Grandis. Looking at the bias towards teak in the consumer and carpenters , the vendors keep a high margin. The saw mill landed cost of imported african teak cut size is 1200 to 1600 Rs Per Cft (Same as local wood ,neem etc) or less and for logs it is 800 to 1200 Rs per Cft. Paying more than Rs 2000 is not justified.

[rrprakash]

@ Nivas,

I have been suggested to go for Neem wood (Bevu) for Window and door frames (Teak for front & Pooja Doors) in view of cost factor and better worm resistant properties. Kindly throw some light on this.

Further can you clarify on the following:

Which wood is better for window/door frames and window shutters considering cost effectiveness and durability?

How to check and ensure proper quality and seasoning of wood at the time of purchase?

How many days we have to store the wood for seasoning before starting the carpentry work?

Any reliable and trustworthy place were we can buy proper quality and seasoned wood in Bangalore or nearby place?

Regards

[Nivas]

Worm \ beetle , borer infestation in Hardwoods is the least problem . The moment the moisture drops around 15% or less,life ceases to exist inside wood. Provided you seal it with Bitumen paint on the surface in contact with wall and rest of surfaces adequately sealed or painted.
Having said that there are woods that are naturally resistant to borers. Neem happens to be one among them. But one need not select wood mainly on pest resistance. Local neem tree wood has highest oil content and its rarely available. Some of them are imported ones and could be from Melia Dubia (jungle neem) tree which is of low quality , check the origin from the vendor,if imported ,ask him to give the name as given in the import data. Take a sample and get it tested .

a) Which wood is better for window/door frames and window shutters considering cost effectiveness and durability?
if you choose to Paint ,
Window \ Door Frames \ Jambs : Some saw mills are stocking Gum Sal , Go for if its available. if its not available go for Imported Kiln Dried Red Meranti
( Available b/n Rs 1100 to 1300 ). Neem is also a very good wood.
For Bath Room Door Frames : You can use WPC frames. They are water proof.
Window and Door Shutters Australian Honne and Malayasian Merbau(referred as Merbau) is a very good option .

If you wish to polish
Rosewood (Dalbergia latifolia) , Hunsur \ Dandeli \ Assam teak . ( 3000 to 4000) .
Padauk ( Pterocarpus spp) , African imported ( Rs 2200 to 2500)
Nandi ( Lagerstroemia Microcarpa\ Indica) , Matti or Iron Wood ( Terminalia Elliptica\Tomentosa) , Acacia (Mangium, Melanoxylyn etc) around 1500 to 2000 Rs . African teak is also a option, You can get the logs cut it might work out cheaper.
Rosewood you can get it from Forest depot auction for bonafide use, its a simple procedure one needs to register with forest department.
Imported woods, you can use Wenge (Rs 4000 , Black ) , Walnut , Iroko, Bubinga , Purple heart, I can suggest much more PM me.

b)How to check and ensure proper quality and seasoning of wood at the time of purchase?
Every Saw mill has moisture meter , insist on it, upon contact it shows the moisture level . Even with logs around 5 years after being cut , moisture can be as high as 80%. You can safely purchase anything around 40% . But during use it should be around 15% . Dryer than that it will crack and deform. Without moisture wood loses character. Do not plane the wood while buying, planed wood dries faster, however you will not be able to eliminate deformities after seasoning. hence only plane in between final use and Purchase.

c) How many days we have to store the wood for seasoning before starting the carpentry work?
if you are buying logs or green wood > 80% moisture , you have a option of Kiln Drying @ 200 \ Cft cost 15 to 20 day schedule. Again depends on quantity .
if you are just going for air drying , different wood requires different times and is different in different seasons. In between 1 and 2 months.

d)Any reliable and trustworthy place were we can buy proper quality and seasoned wood in Bangalore or nearby place?
Red Sal of Malaysian origin is available Kiln dried ,need to look for it , otherwise every saw mill sells Green wood only. you need to buy before hand
and season it yourself or get it kiln dried.